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billy ward

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(10/24/09 07:08:29)

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speaking of soap.. thought I'd share this:
My mother got bell's palsey from a flu shot and I vowed to never get another flu shot, but these two shots this year have entirely DEAD critters. If you have kids or have respiratory issues, I'd definitely get them (you) the shot(s). I got one of each of the two flu shots because my wife is neutropenic (sp?) with her leukemia. IOW, she has no immune system, and as a result, I have also finally learned to wash my hands frequently. It's a drag to do it when you are as hyper as I am, but it saves a lot of illness - for you, or for the person you are passing it on to. I felt a bit off health-wise from my stereo flu shots (one in each arm) the next day, but that was it.

RickK

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(10/24/09 20:56:19)

when I went to the doctor on Thursday she insisted that I get the flu shot and I did...I don't like them either.
they still don't have the H1N1 available but I think we are going to get that when it arrives.
there was a lady walking out with a face mask on at the doctors office...the doc told me she had 2 H1N1 cases that morning already.

Mainely Drummer

On The Other Hand

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(10/25/09 14:35:46)

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Billy, I do understand your unique scenario, but there have been instances of trigger effects, especially in children.

Quite frankly, because of what is not known about the possible chemical ingredients, I would be extremely cautious.

If you have the time, this is very informative:

Especially with children, you should see this report from CBS on the link to autism.

Last Edited By: Mainely Drummer 10/25/09 14:43:39. Edited 1 times.

billy ward

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(10/25/09 16:57:06)

There are trigger effects for not getting the shot. My personal physician has seen a few deaths personally.
The woman in this vid is a Board Certified Physician. OK.
The internet in many ways offers too much information IMO.
Everyone that works at Weill/Cornell got a flu shot as soon as it was available. (Maura's hospital - look it up, it is renowned for being one of the top hospitals in the world)
If I live in Maine, I don't get the shot. IN NYC? Hell yes. I think the best thing is to have a doctor that you trust/believe in - and follow his/her advice in these matters.

Mainely Drummer

FYI

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(10/25/09 19:46:36)

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Obviously, I am not claiming to be a medical expert, I was simply offering an alternative to the mass vaccinations will prevent the flu scenario.

I didn't just come across this and draw my conclusions from two You Tube videos.

I thought they illustrated the points I had read about in a brief and informative way.

I have been reading a lot of articles on the topic, but thought they would be too lengthy to post.

The fact remains, that the vaccine it is not absolutely safe for everyone :

billy ward

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(10/25/09 20:47:12)

Yeah Mainely, you are right. Thanks for being so balanced. It is an individual decision and I hope I wasn't implying otherwise.

debbie

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(10/27/09 15:26:43)

yeesh. that is truly frightening. dystonia is permanent and not good. nonetheless, even faux news admits it's an extremely rare event.

thus i will continue to get my annual flu shot. asthma+flu = certain death for deb

i was gonna do the swine vaccine, but now i'm undecided. a guy at my job had it and he recovered. from what i understand, it's not as intense as regular flu. but i kinda feel like i should get it. even a little cold is a big deal for me.

did you know that musicians are at higher risk for focal dystonia? (permanent writer's cramp). anyone who does repetitive high-precision hand movements is. and while never being able to play again would suck, i'd much rather endure that than what this poor woman is going through.

aaroncushing

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(10/28/09 04:03:05)

I'm pretty sure that Mrs.Cush had H1N1. It hit her on a Friday night, resultign in a poor night's sleep. Saturday she just plain felt miserable. It was typical flu symptoms of fatigue/malaise, a slight fever, aches, runny nose, a nasty cough, and chest congestion. She says that she can understand how someone with an already weak respiratory system would be in trouble. She ended up staying home from work Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and still felt miserbale on Thursday but had to go in anyway (she works fairly isolated from others, so passing it along wasn't a huge concern). She's still got a cough, close to two weeks later, but is much better. I think I and the kids have dodged that bullet (knock on wood!), but it sure wasn't pretty.

I'm still undecided about the vaccine. All the big pharmaceutical companies say it's safe, so it must be, right :P Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I normally get a regular flu shot through my employer each year. I dunno.

Mainely Drummer

Interesting..

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(10/28/09 07:19:21)

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Drugmakers, Doctors Rake in Billions Battling H1N1 Flu
Swine Flu Is Bad for Victims, But Good for Businesses That Cater to Expanding Market
By DALIA FAHMY
Oct. 14, 2009

Americans are still debating whether to roll up their sleeves for a swine flu shot, but companies have already figured it out: vaccines are good for business.

(/ABC News)

Drug companies have sold $1.5 billion worth of swine flu shots, in addition to the $1 billion for seasonal flu they booked earlier this year. These inoculations are part of a much wider and rapidly growing $20 billion global vaccine market.

"The vaccine market is booming," says Bruce Carlson, spokesperson at market research firm Kalorama, which publishes an annual survey of the vaccine industry. "It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," he says, noting that the pipeline for more traditional blockbuster drugs such as Lipitor and Nexium has thinned.

As always with pandemic flus, taxpayers are footing the $1.5 billion check for the 250 million swine flu vaccines that the government has ordered so far and will be distributing free to doctors, pharmacies and schools. In addition, Congress has set aside more than $10 billion this year to research flu viruses, monitor H1N1's progress and educate the public about prevention.

Drugmakers pocket most of the revenues from flu sales, with Sanofi-Pasteur, Glaxo Smith Kline and Novartis cornering most of the market.

But some say it's not just drugmakers who stand to benefit. Doctors collect copayments for special office visits to inject shots, and there have been assertions that these doctors actually profit handsomely from these vaccinations.

It is a notion that Dr. Lori Heim, president of the American Academy of Family Practitioners, says is simply not true.

"According to most of the physicians I have talked to, the administration of these vaccines is done for the community's benefit as opposed to anything that helps profit," she says. Heim adds that even though doctors will not have to shell out for the H1N1 vaccine, they will bear the usual costs associated with storage and administering the shots.

"There is an administration fee, for the costs that you can't get reimbursed through Medicare or Medicaid," she says. "This is usually less than, or right at the break-even point."

Still, pharmacies also charge co-payments or full price of about $25 to those without insurance and often make more money if patients end up shopping for other goods.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/big-business-swine-flu/story?id=8820642

Mainely Drummer

Deja Vu

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(10/28/09 07:27:46)

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This has happened before, it's "Deja Vu All Over Again"..

debbie

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(10/28/09 14:49:38)

if i recall correctly, tamiflu is one of the treatments used for SF. i find that incredible. my doc gave me tami several years back when i got the flu from hell. that is the craziest drug--basically, you swallow it and throw up 2 seconds later. every time i tried, that's what happened. apparently, this is very common. my doc finally told me to stop after 3 days of barfing, saying i probably got enough med in me to make a difference. i begged to differ. i stayed in bed for 6 weeks, missed christmas completely and lost 25 pounds.

boy, what i'd give to have swine flu now!

RickK

2 people already died in my area and the hospital just emailed this notice

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(10/28/09 15:54:48)

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RickK

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(10/28/09 15:56:06)

not sure why it looks that way, sorry?

Scott Grant

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(10/29/09 22:24:51)

I am REALLY Torn with this H1N1. I don't know if I should get my three yr old daughter immunized or not. But this is some scary stuff and If Kiwi caught this who knows? A 14yr old boy just died after a hockey game because of it. 12 have died in BC so far.

Free shots start this Monday, so I think I have to do it.

scottc61

Do what you have to do

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(10/30/09 06:18:04)

I personally am not a believer in flu shots, as the vaccine for the past couple of years contained the mercury based preservative Thimerosal - to which I am extremely allergic.

Every fall/winter, I jack up my immune system w/a daily dose of Airborne - what normally happens is that people get sick around me (my boss had H1N1) - I limit my contact and stay pretty healthy.

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Mainely Drummer

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(11/12/09 20:59:18)

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By JoNel Aleccia
Health writer
msnbc.com
updated 12:57 p.m. ET, Thurs., Nov . 12, 2009

JoNel Aleccia
Health writer
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A 14-year-old Virginia boy is weak and struggling to walk after coming down with a reported case of Guillain-Barre syndrome within hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine for swine flu.

Jordan McFarland, a high school athlete from Alexandria, Va., left Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children Tuesday night in a wheelchair nearly a week after developing severe headaches, muscle spasms and weakness in his legs following a swine flu shot. He will likely need the assistance of a walker for four to six weeks, plus extensive physical therapy.

"The doctor said I'll recover fully, but it's going to take some time," the teenager said.

Increased cases of GBS were found in patients who received a 1976 swine flu vaccine, but government health officials say they've seen no rise in the condition associated with the current outbreak.

So far, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have received five reports of GBS in people who received the H1N1 vaccine since Oct. 6, not including Jordan's case, said Dr. Claudia J. Vellozzi, deputy director for immunization safety.

Out of about 40 million doses of H1N1 vaccine available to date, that's a far lower rate of GBS than the 1 case that develops in every 1 million people who receive the regular flu vaccine.

"It's much less than we'd expect," she said, adding that many cases go unreported.

In 1976, about 1 additional case of GBS developed in every 100,000 people who were vaccinated against the swine flu, according to the CDC.

Jordan's parents said doctors diagnosed the teen with GBS, a rare muscle disorder that develops when a person's own immune system attacks the nerves, causing muscle weakness, difficulty walking and sometimes paralysis and death.

Hospital officials didn't dispute that the boy had GBS, but refused to comment on the boy's condition or treatment, even after his family granted permission.

"They don't want to create a fear or panic in the community," said Jordan's stepmother, Connin.

Connin and Jordan's father, Calvin McFarland, both 38, believe the shot sparked the illness that came on 18 hours after the boy's vaccination.

No clear link
But Vellozzi said there's no clear link between the new vaccine and the disease.

"We know that GBS and other illnesses occur routinely in the U.S.," Vellozzi said, noting that 80 to 120 cases are diagnosed each week in the general population.

"There are events that follow vaccination. That's what they are, they happened to follow vaccination.

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